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#21 bgr861509

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 10:13 PM

I agree that there needs to be more hotels within 5-10 minutes of Great Adventure. Most of the hotels are off the Turnpike (Exits 7 & 8) and you have to pay a toll if you don't have EZPass, and plus that area of the turnpike gets backed up, but the turnpike expansion is almost complete. A new hotel just opened up this year and it is 10 minutes from Six Flags, the Hampton Inn & Suites in Robbinsville. It is off of Exit 7 on I-195 (only a mile from the Turnpike). It's in a good location.

 

In my opinion, a hotel right on Great Adventure's property would not only bring more money to the park, it would make it a premiere destination as a gateway to the shore, which would bring in more big crowds, it is good and bad at the same time. By building a hotel on site, I also agree that Six Flags should be open until at least Christmas, because it can be a good way to beat all of the crowds at the malls on Black Friday. As a former retail employee, to be honest, It would be a much safer place to shop. If Busch Gardens, Hershey, and Disney have Holiday celebrations, why can't Six Flags Great Adventure? 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:58 AM

I think GADV is already much more crowded than the shore points and is the most crowded park in the region. Hershey only has a few flats open for Christmas, no coasters or tall thrill rides. But Hershey has lots of indoor stuff from Chocolate World, to a museum, tours, fancy grand hotel, gardens, etc. GADV is primary a thrill park where the majority of guests are thrill seeks. Will those guests come to GADV in Nov and Dec for a few flats? GADV has nothing like Chocolate World or the Hershey Museum or the Hershey Hotel. GADV does have Skull Mt and Dark Knight but both rides have theming that would clash with the Christmas season.

 

Would planting a hotel next to GADV bring more people, probably. Will just adding a hotel alone make GADV a good resort, no, it would just amplify GADV's shortcomings. You hear people complain about only getting on 3 rides during the whole day at GADV due to long lines and slow dispatches. I have been to the park on days like that and I just left. The parks needs to fix its problems and improve operations by a great deal to start to be close to a resort. A good resort is not just  infrastructure, it is also good customer service and SF fails in that regard in many areas.   


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 04:05 PM

someone on another thread pointed out GA is not as colorful as it used to. What about a hotel that pays homage to that past, and it has a separate entrance to the park from Bizzaro's gate (hint, hint) but they need to work with there power, services, and retrain/hire staff to fix up the park as is, as I was saying, Bizzaro is the prime real estate because its right next to the old safari entrance. perfect idea huh? 


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:03 PM

The plans for great adventure was to be a resort from day one. WOuld a hotel work sure would. Will it weed out the problems some what. The biggest thing that could and should be done is end deep discounting.  Or do as Universl does offer them only to season pass holders guests. Or large groups. Create a camp ground, etc. Just go back to the orginal plans and work off them. But give people a reason to want to say multi days.  

 

I agree wholeheartedly The original plan was to have a campground similar to Disney World's Fort Wilderness, but unfortunately that idea never came to fruition.

 

Atlantic City is in a somewhat similar dilemma - casinos came in during the late 1970s and business boomed and grew for a lot of years.  Then the competition popped up in nearby states and gaming revenues have fallen off dramatically.  IMHO the city needs to reinvent itself as a family resort less focused on gambling, similar to Las Vegas.  But it doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

 

SFGA relies totally on it's theme park and people only go for one day. There is nothing much else to do in the area other than outlet stores.  It needs to reinvent itself as a multi-day resort.

 

If you have ever been to Lancaster County or Hershey PA, they are favorite multi-day destinations because of the number of hotels, campgrounds, theaters, restaurants and other tourist traps they have out there.  Obviously it isn't the same exact situation, but I think SFGA could learn something from them, instead of just building the next gigantic coaster and jacking up its prices to pay for it.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 06:49 PM

One possible solution would be to build a hotel in the Hurricane Harbor parking lot and then build a dome over the waterpark itself;if they start now it could be ready by Great Adv.'s 45th anniversary in 2019.



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 09:07 AM

One possible solution would be to build a hotel in the Hurricane Harbor parking lot and then build a dome over the waterpark itself;if they start now it could be ready by Great Adv.'s 45th anniversary in 2019.

Indoor and weather protected water parks do seem to be catching on, especially in the northern climates.  The Great Wolf Lodge chain must be doing well if they can charge upwards of $400 a night for a hotel room!  :Wow:


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

If Great Adv. converted Hurricane Harbor into an indoor park with hotel they could do all sorts of things during the off season:showing movies in the wave pool,building a swim-up bar for adults,special packages for New Year's,Valentine's Day and Spring Break.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 11:13 PM

If Great Adv. converted Hurricane Harbor into an indoor park with hotel they could do all sorts of things during the off season:showing movies in the wave pool,building a swim-up bar for adults,special packages for New Year's,Valentine's Day and Spring Break.

 

 

I don't know if Six Flags wants to spend $980,100,000 to enclose Hurricane Harbor

 

How I came up with that:

Acres of Hurricane Harbor- 45

45 Acres is how many square feet- 1,960,200

Average cost to cover a square foot- $500

1,960,200 x $500= The Number I said.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:33 AM

 

 

I don't know if Six Flags wants to spend $980,100,000 to enclose Hurricane Harbor

 

How I came up with that:

Acres of Hurricane Harbor- 45

45 Acres is how many square feet- 1,960,200

Average cost to cover a square foot- $500

1,960,200 x $500= The Number I said.

Do you work for the Congressional Budget Office?   :Skull5: LOL  :)


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:11 PM

Arent there already two enclosed water parks with relatively close distance to GA.  Poth in the Poconos.  You have Great Wolf and that new African themed one.   Not sure how well HH would do if it was year round



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:18 PM

If you have ever been to Lancaster County or Hershey PA, they are favorite multi-day destinations because of the number of hotels, campgrounds, theaters, restaurants and other tourist traps they have out there.  Obviously it isn't the same exact situation, but I think SFGA could learn something from them, instead of just building the next gigantic coaster and jacking up its prices to pay for it.

 

For example you can buy a combo Ticket for Hershey and Dutch wonderland.  Also a single day pas for Hershey is only about $18, great deal if you ask me.  I have been making that trip the last 2 years and don't plan on stopping lol

 

Lancaster is great for a weekend trip,  You have Hershey Park, Dutch Wonderland, Strasburg Rail Road Lancaster Brewery just to name a few things to do and all with in an hour of each other (Hershey Park being the of man out as far as distance from everything else



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:04 PM

Arent there already two enclosed water parks with relatively close distance to GA.  Poth in the Poconos.  You have Great Wolf and that new African themed one.   Not sure how well HH would do if it was year round

There are also two within a half hour drive - Sahara Sam's in Cherry Hill and one other but I forget exactly where.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:43 PM

 

 

I don't know if Six Flags wants to spend $980,100,000 to enclose Hurricane Harbor

 

How I came up with that:

Acres of Hurricane Harbor- 45

45 Acres is how many square feet- 1,960,200

Average cost to cover a square foot- $500

1,960,200 x $500= The Number I said.

 

Where did you get the $500?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:34 PM

There are also two within a half hour drive - Sahara Sam's in Cherry Hill and one other but I forget exactly where.

The other one is Co Co Keys in Mt. Laurel off the NJ Turnpike on Route 73. That place also has the Hotel ML attached making it a resort park, but it's not as big as the Great Wolf Lodge or Kalahari Water Resort in the Poconos.

 

Arent there already two enclosed water parks with relatively close distance to GA.  Poth in the Poconos.  You have Great Wolf and that new African themed one.   Not sure how well HH would do if it was year round

If you're referring to ones in New Jersey, Co Co Keys in Mt. Laurel and Sahara Sam's in West Berlin both off Route 73 are about an hour away from Great Adventure. The former has a hotel but the latter does not.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

The other one is Co Co Keys in Mt. Laurel off the NJ Turnpike on Route 73. That place also has the Hotel ML attached making it a resort park, but it's not as big as the Great Wolf Lodge or Kalahari Water Resort in the Poconos.

 

That's the one I was thinking of - thanks!


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

 

If you're referring to ones in New Jersey, Co Co Keys in Mt. Laurel and Sahara Sam's in West Berlin both off Route 73 are about an hour away from Great Adventure. The former has a hotel but the latter does not.

Nope, was referring to the ones in PA that's why I said Poconos, as the one you mentioned,  GWL and KWR



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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:48 AM

Arent there already two enclosed water parks with relatively close distance to GA.  Poth in the Poconos.  You have Great Wolf and that new African themed one.   Not sure how well HH would do if it was year round

 

 

Wisconsin Dells and Sandusky, Ohio would like a word with you.

Wisconsin Dells Alone

- Great Wolf Lodge (2 I Believe)

- Wilderness (3 Indoor)

- Kalahari (1)

- Chula Vista (1)

- Polynesian (1)

- Mt. Olympus (1)

- Raintree Resort (1)

And That's just the major ones, Excluded are the ones with only slides/pools

 

 

Sandusky has 5

- Great Wolf Lodge (1)

- Kalahari (1)

- Castaway Bay (1)

- Rain Water Park (1)

- Maui Sands (1)

 

 

How I came up with the $500

"Some properties can cost between $150,000 and $300,000 per available room when indoor waterpark costs are included. The indoor waterpark itself may cost from$200 to $500 per square foot of net indoor waterpark space."

 

http://ishc.com/wp-c...Waterparks1.pdf

 

However it was listed in 2006, So probably more.


Edited by Coaster Justin, 25 March 2017 - 02:58 AM.


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 08:01 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Sandusky has 5

- Great Wolf Lodge (1)

- Kalahari (1)

- Castaway Bay (1)

- Rain Water Park (1)

- Maui Sands (1)

 

 

I wonder if they wanted to change their name after the Penn State football situation......


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:53 PM

Jackson didn't.






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